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	<title>Comments on: Startling Data: Are Men 32% more productive than Women?</title>
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		<title>By: Michael E. Gruen</title>
		<link>http://blog.rescuetime.com/2010/05/04/startling-data-are-men-32-more-productive-than-women/#comment-2138</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael E. Gruen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 03:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love Marina Martin.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love Marina Martin.</p>
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		<title>By: merck</title>
		<link>http://blog.rescuetime.com/2010/05/04/startling-data-are-men-32-more-productive-than-women/#comment-2133</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[merck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 01:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is this where the royally-pissed-right-the-heck-off women go to lodge their complaints about this &quot;study&quot;? If so, log me in. It&#039;s the lack of basic stats 101 and uber-alienation that us chicks are railing against, methinks.

I do appreciate the OkCupid-esque effort...and please do keep it up because it&#039;s one thing to have stats but they need to be actionable. 

Metadata conversations like this can also enhance working with the RescueTime app since it can seem like I&#039;m going about my day in a bit of a vacuum (although I do like those percentile badges). 

Since that&#039;s what I think you were sincerely trying to do here, I will excuse - just this once - what I&#039;ll assume is an unwitting attempt to knock the women&#039;s rights movement for pay equity back by about 60 years.

Now, if you don&#039;t mind, I need to get back to social networking...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this where the royally-pissed-right-the-heck-off women go to lodge their complaints about this &#8220;study&#8221;? If so, log me in. It&#8217;s the lack of basic stats 101 and uber-alienation that us chicks are railing against, methinks.</p>
<p>I do appreciate the OkCupid-esque effort&#8230;and please do keep it up because it&#8217;s one thing to have stats but they need to be actionable. </p>
<p>Metadata conversations like this can also enhance working with the RescueTime app since it can seem like I&#8217;m going about my day in a bit of a vacuum (although I do like those percentile badges). </p>
<p>Since that&#8217;s what I think you were sincerely trying to do here, I will excuse &#8211; just this once &#8211; what I&#8217;ll assume is an unwitting attempt to knock the women&#8217;s rights movement for pay equity back by about 60 years.</p>
<p>Now, if you don&#8217;t mind, I need to get back to social networking&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Wright</title>
		<link>http://blog.rescuetime.com/2010/05/04/startling-data-are-men-32-more-productive-than-women/#comment-2129</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Wright]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 17:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Laurel!  We were purposefully provocative and light in tone.  My wife worked at Planned Parenthood for years and currently makes more money than I do-- she&#039;s definitely what I&#039;d call an &quot;enlightened feminist&quot;.  She read the post and said, &quot;you guys are probably going to piss some people off here, but I don&#039;t have a problem with it.  It&#039;s just data.&quot;  We were pretty careful to not draw any conclusions, but admittedly made it FEEL like we might be drawing conclusions by asking some leading questions (headline) and dropping some stats next to other stats (the pay data).  And, yeah, we joked around a little.  But say we did the SAME post and swapped out &quot;coders&quot; for &quot;men&quot; and &quot;designers&quot; for &quot;women&quot;.  Everything else stays the same word-for-word.  Would people be similarly offended?  Should they be?

I&#039;m sure OkCupid had a small minority of middle aged single women who were upset about their &quot;Cougar&quot; post.  37s certainly offended a lot of the startup world with their &quot;bends over&quot; post ( http://37signals.com/svn/posts/1927-the-next-generation-bends-over ) ...

But (to be fully transparent) these data exercises are really very purposeful attention/traffic plays.  The results were pretty dramatic-- signups (both paid and free) and traffic went dramatically up.  Cancellations didn&#039;t budge (they were actually a little lower than average).  There&#039;ll be more to come and some of them most certainly will raise some hackles.  We&#039;re confident that smart folks will see these posts as interesting bits of data that are worth a conversation and nothing more.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Laurel!  We were purposefully provocative and light in tone.  My wife worked at Planned Parenthood for years and currently makes more money than I do&#8211; she&#8217;s definitely what I&#8217;d call an &#8220;enlightened feminist&#8221;.  She read the post and said, &#8220;you guys are probably going to piss some people off here, but I don&#8217;t have a problem with it.  It&#8217;s just data.&#8221;  We were pretty careful to not draw any conclusions, but admittedly made it FEEL like we might be drawing conclusions by asking some leading questions (headline) and dropping some stats next to other stats (the pay data).  And, yeah, we joked around a little.  But say we did the SAME post and swapped out &#8220;coders&#8221; for &#8220;men&#8221; and &#8220;designers&#8221; for &#8220;women&#8221;.  Everything else stays the same word-for-word.  Would people be similarly offended?  Should they be?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure OkCupid had a small minority of middle aged single women who were upset about their &#8220;Cougar&#8221; post.  37s certainly offended a lot of the startup world with their &#8220;bends over&#8221; post ( <a href="http://37signals.com/svn/posts/1927-the-next-generation-bends-over" rel="nofollow">http://37signals.com/svn/posts/1927-the-next-generation-bends-over</a> ) &#8230;</p>
<p>But (to be fully transparent) these data exercises are really very purposeful attention/traffic plays.  The results were pretty dramatic&#8211; signups (both paid and free) and traffic went dramatically up.  Cancellations didn&#8217;t budge (they were actually a little lower than average).  There&#8217;ll be more to come and some of them most certainly will raise some hackles.  We&#8217;re confident that smart folks will see these posts as interesting bits of data that are worth a conversation and nothing more.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurel</title>
		<link>http://blog.rescuetime.com/2010/05/04/startling-data-are-men-32-more-productive-than-women/#comment-2128</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Laurel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 17:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I realize that the good old &quot;men vs women&quot; cliche makes a nice headline.  But it might be more useful for potential customers to try something that doesn&#039;t inevitably offend either 80% or 20% of your customer base (hint: the snarky language doesn&#039;t help people take your data seriously.  there may not be any women working at Rescuetime, and you may have trouble hiring any after this post, but I know some of you guys are married, try asking your wives if your words make you sound like misogynists.  hint again: it&#039;s not your data that people are offended at, it&#039;s how you&#039;re presenting it.  Check out OKCupid&#039;s OKTrends for a way to present data on potentially sensitive topics [not only gender, but age, race, etc] in a more neutral way).

Have you ever compared premium and free users?  If your premium product is worth it, premium users should be way more productive. (since it looks like premium makes it easier to track more things as productive, ie. offline time, you&#039;d of course have to exclude that for a fair comparison).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize that the good old &#8220;men vs women&#8221; cliche makes a nice headline.  But it might be more useful for potential customers to try something that doesn&#8217;t inevitably offend either 80% or 20% of your customer base (hint: the snarky language doesn&#8217;t help people take your data seriously.  there may not be any women working at Rescuetime, and you may have trouble hiring any after this post, but I know some of you guys are married, try asking your wives if your words make you sound like misogynists.  hint again: it&#8217;s not your data that people are offended at, it&#8217;s how you&#8217;re presenting it.  Check out OKCupid&#8217;s OKTrends for a way to present data on potentially sensitive topics [not only gender, but age, race, etc] in a more neutral way).</p>
<p>Have you ever compared premium and free users?  If your premium product is worth it, premium users should be way more productive. (since it looks like premium makes it easier to track more things as productive, ie. offline time, you&#8217;d of course have to exclude that for a fair comparison).</p>
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		<title>By: Wow</title>
		<link>http://blog.rescuetime.com/2010/05/04/startling-data-are-men-32-more-productive-than-women/#comment-2125</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 06:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What happened with #3, along with #5 and also your response to #4 for that matter, is that I rolled my eyes so hard I was temporarily rendered incapable of using my keyboard to respond to it. Leaving aside the issues of sampling sizes/significance and the like, am I correct in understanding that all your data comes from people rating their own behaviors? Yeah. It&#039;s pretty telling that on learning that the women in your sampling are more likely to rate themselves as less productive, you leap to the conclusion that men are better. I mean hey, it&#039;s not like women are consistently far more self-critical than men as a result of socialization or whatever, right? Right! Ugh. Also lulsy is your contention that more men installing your software = men care more about productivity. Again, I ask the other commenters: How much do you want to bet that if the genders were flipped, this would be considered a sign of women needing more help with productivity and thus being less productive? Because seriously dude... WTF. At pretty much every stage, you&#039;re rejecting all possible conclusions that aren&#039;t &quot;men are productive&quot; even when it clearly makes zero sense to do so. And then going on to use your &quot;statistics&quot; to make jokes about how the massive wage gap between men and women *isn&#039;t big enough*? Um...

tl;dr - Whoever wrote this blog post fails pretty hard at statistics and data analysis, and in all probability life as well. Keep grinding that axe!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happened with #3, along with #5 and also your response to #4 for that matter, is that I rolled my eyes so hard I was temporarily rendered incapable of using my keyboard to respond to it. Leaving aside the issues of sampling sizes/significance and the like, am I correct in understanding that all your data comes from people rating their own behaviors? Yeah. It&#8217;s pretty telling that on learning that the women in your sampling are more likely to rate themselves as less productive, you leap to the conclusion that men are better. I mean hey, it&#8217;s not like women are consistently far more self-critical than men as a result of socialization or whatever, right? Right! Ugh. Also lulsy is your contention that more men installing your software = men care more about productivity. Again, I ask the other commenters: How much do you want to bet that if the genders were flipped, this would be considered a sign of women needing more help with productivity and thus being less productive? Because seriously dude&#8230; WTF. At pretty much every stage, you&#8217;re rejecting all possible conclusions that aren&#8217;t &#8220;men are productive&#8221; even when it clearly makes zero sense to do so. And then going on to use your &#8220;statistics&#8221; to make jokes about how the massive wage gap between men and women *isn&#8217;t big enough*? Um&#8230;</p>
<p>tl;dr &#8211; Whoever wrote this blog post fails pretty hard at statistics and data analysis, and in all probability life as well. Keep grinding that axe!</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Ruthfield</title>
		<link>http://blog.rescuetime.com/2010/05/04/startling-data-are-men-32-more-productive-than-women/#comment-2118</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott Ruthfield]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 20:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just mentioning that your entrance into data porn has me excited to see your future posts, plus reminded me to reignite my on-again off-again love affair with RescueTime. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just mentioning that your entrance into data porn has me excited to see your future posts, plus reminded me to reignite my on-again off-again love affair with RescueTime. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: James Norris</title>
		<link>http://blog.rescuetime.com/2010/05/04/startling-data-are-men-32-more-productive-than-women/#comment-2117</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Norris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 18:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was just about to say that...

I wish people would take the time to intelligently criticize. I don&#039;t know what to make of these results, so I&#039;m opting to keep my mouth shut and listen instead.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just about to say that&#8230;</p>
<p>I wish people would take the time to intelligently criticize. I don&#8217;t know what to make of these results, so I&#8217;m opting to keep my mouth shut and listen instead.</p>
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		<title>By: oky</title>
		<link>http://blog.rescuetime.com/2010/05/04/startling-data-are-men-32-more-productive-than-women/#comment-2115</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[oky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 16:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Woah, you guys just opened a huge can of worms. Don&#039;t you know criticizing women is illegal?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woah, you guys just opened a huge can of worms. Don&#8217;t you know criticizing women is illegal?</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Wright</title>
		<link>http://blog.rescuetime.com/2010/05/04/startling-data-are-men-32-more-productive-than-women/#comment-2112</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Wright]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 14:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re mistaken in assuming that we called out social networking and shopping because they were &quot;female&quot; slanted activities (you could make an argument for shopping, but would you REALLY have guessed that women spent a ton more time social networking than men?  We didn&#039;t).  The category that includes both sports AND porn was &quot;entertainment&quot;.  Women logged logged 8% MORE time in this category than men (9.8% of their total time).

Regarding #4 (what happened to #3?), our take is that productive time logged on the computer is CORRELATIVE with productivity.  It&#039;s possible that men spin their mice in circles in Excel for hours at a time while women use their Excel time diligently.  And, like all statistics-- individuals are individuals.  Statistically, it would be insane to bet on Usain Bolt in the Olympic hundred yard dash given his height-- unless you knew who he was.  Given that women are statistically smarter than men on average, it&#039;s quite possible that they are more effective with their productive computer time.  Still interesting that when you take a population of people who overtly care about productivity and find that collectively they are using less than 50% of their computer time on productive tasks, no?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re mistaken in assuming that we called out social networking and shopping because they were &#8220;female&#8221; slanted activities (you could make an argument for shopping, but would you REALLY have guessed that women spent a ton more time social networking than men?  We didn&#8217;t).  The category that includes both sports AND porn was &#8220;entertainment&#8221;.  Women logged logged 8% MORE time in this category than men (9.8% of their total time).</p>
<p>Regarding #4 (what happened to #3?), our take is that productive time logged on the computer is CORRELATIVE with productivity.  It&#8217;s possible that men spin their mice in circles in Excel for hours at a time while women use their Excel time diligently.  And, like all statistics&#8211; individuals are individuals.  Statistically, it would be insane to bet on Usain Bolt in the Olympic hundred yard dash given his height&#8211; unless you knew who he was.  Given that women are statistically smarter than men on average, it&#8217;s quite possible that they are more effective with their productive computer time.  Still interesting that when you take a population of people who overtly care about productivity and find that collectively they are using less than 50% of their computer time on productive tasks, no?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://blog.rescuetime.com/2010/05/04/startling-data-are-men-32-more-productive-than-women/#comment-2111</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 14:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Methinks the lady doth protest too much!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Methinks the lady doth protest too much!</p>
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